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		<title>Comment on Rap Battle: Christianity Today&#8217;s Hip-Hop Cover Story is a Contextless Disaster by Josh Niemyjski</title>
		<link>http://www.patrolmag.com/2013/05/01/jonathan-d-fitzgerald/yo-thats-wack-christianity-todays-hip-hop-cover-story-is-an-embarrassing-disaster/#comment-12728</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Niemyjski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 19:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Jonathan,

Thanks for the mention. Definitely flattering and feels good to be recognized, thanks for that.

I&#039;ve struggled with how the &quot;CCM&quot; world sees hip-hop music from believers (which is a very wide spectrum). While I am thankful for the little pieces here and there, I don&#039;t always feel like it&#039;s ever been even close to being understood.

Over the years I&#039;ve been doing Sphere of Hip-Hop, and also in my work at record labels (Uprok Records and currently Illect Recordings), I don&#039;t get much assurance that things have changed or ever will change. Maybe the latter is too cynical. The current growth is because most artists built their own following apart from the support of Christian media and radio. That&#039;s frustrating but not surprising given things I&#039;ve heard in private meetings with &quot;industry executives&quot;.

Bottom line... evangelicals are missing a big opportunity to reach youth culture. Not all of these people respond to or like rock music. Hopefully it changes but I&#039;m personally not holding my breath BUT that isn&#039;t stopping me from living out my calling which is to serve urban culture.

Hit me up via email if you&#039;d like to connect. peace!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jonathan,</p>
<p>Thanks for the mention. Definitely flattering and feels good to be recognized, thanks for that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve struggled with how the &#8220;CCM&#8221; world sees hip-hop music from believers (which is a very wide spectrum). While I am thankful for the little pieces here and there, I don&#8217;t always feel like it&#8217;s ever been even close to being understood.</p>
<p>Over the years I&#8217;ve been doing Sphere of Hip-Hop, and also in my work at record labels (Uprok Records and currently Illect Recordings), I don&#8217;t get much assurance that things have changed or ever will change. Maybe the latter is too cynical. The current growth is because most artists built their own following apart from the support of Christian media and radio. That&#8217;s frustrating but not surprising given things I&#8217;ve heard in private meetings with &#8220;industry executives&#8221;.</p>
<p>Bottom line&#8230; evangelicals are missing a big opportunity to reach youth culture. Not all of these people respond to or like rock music. Hopefully it changes but I&#8217;m personally not holding my breath BUT that isn&#8217;t stopping me from living out my calling which is to serve urban culture.</p>
<p>Hit me up via email if you&#8217;d like to connect. peace!</p>
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		<title>Comment on You Can&#8217;t &#8220;Win the Public on Homosexuality&#8221; by direct lenders of payday loans</title>
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		<dc:creator>direct lenders of payday loans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 11:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do seek a no fax payday loan but only in emergency needs because 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do seek a no fax payday loan but only in emergency needs because<br />
it really is costlier than other types of credit. Applicants who<br />
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		<title>Comment on Ray LaMontagne, &#8220;Gossip in the Grain&#8221; by micro jobs</title>
		<link>http://www.patrolmag.com/2008/10/29/njmcdowell/ray-lamontagne-gossip-in-the-grain/#comment-12685</link>
		<dc:creator>micro jobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 06:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Im impressed. I dont think Ive met anyone who knows as a lot about this subject as you do. Youre truly well informed and very intelligent. You wrote some factor that people could understand and made the subject intriguing for everyone. Truly, fantastic weblog youve got right right here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im impressed. I dont think Ive met anyone who knows as a lot about this subject as you do. Youre truly well informed and very intelligent. You wrote some factor that people could understand and made the subject intriguing for everyone. Truly, fantastic weblog youve got right right here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ray LaMontagne, &#8220;Gossip in the Grain&#8221; by freelancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>freelancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 06:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[his ebsite &#969;a... h do yu say t?Relent!! Finlly I have discovered something that helped me. Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>his ebsite &omega;a&#8230; h do yu say t?Relent!! Finlly I have discovered something that helped me. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Really Happens When People Lose Their Religion? by JM</title>
		<link>http://www.patrolmag.com/2013/04/30/david-sessions/what-really-happens-when-people-lose-their-faith/#comment-12683</link>
		<dc:creator>JM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 06:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Haidt&#039;s argument about people reverse-engineering arguments to match their intuitions is pretty valid? seems obvious to me anyway]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Haidt&#8217;s argument about people reverse-engineering arguments to match their intuitions is pretty valid? seems obvious to me anyway</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rap Battle: Christianity Today&#8217;s Hip-Hop Cover Story is a Contextless Disaster by pimptrickgangstaclique</title>
		<link>http://www.patrolmag.com/2013/05/01/jonathan-d-fitzgerald/yo-thats-wack-christianity-todays-hip-hop-cover-story-is-an-embarrassing-disaster/#comment-12682</link>
		<dc:creator>pimptrickgangstaclique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 06:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pretty sure being a Christian rapper gives you anti-cred tbh]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty sure being a Christian rapper gives you anti-cred tbh</p>
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		<title>Comment on Philosophical Flavors by toddh</title>
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		<dc:creator>toddh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 04:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Polanyi has been used by Christians, perhaps most notably here: http://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Pluralist-Society-Lesslie-Newbigin/dp/0802804268/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polanyi has been used by Christians, perhaps most notably here: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Pluralist-Society-Lesslie-Newbigin/dp/0802804268/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Pluralist-Society-Lesslie-Newbigin/dp/0802804268/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Why You Should Read Geez and First Things (Simultaneously) by http://newproduct888.3owl.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 03:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on What Really Happens When People Lose Their Religion? by Patrick Sawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Sawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 23:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matthew, 

Just a brief response to your questions recognizing a lot more could (and should) be said.

#1. Yes, everyone believes in what they most want to believe in.  Existentially it is impossible to do otherwise.  The regenerate heart freely believes in what it wants (things in the direction of being consistent with the true God) and the unregenerate heart freely believes in what it wants (things in the direction of not being consistent with the true God).  At times there is an apparent tension in the soul as when the father with the tormented son cried out &quot;Lord I believe; help my unbelief (Mark 9), but even here we have an ultimate desire expressed flowing from what appears to be a position of authentic faith.

#2. If there is NO God there is NO moral grounding that can be legitimately viewed and understood as a working standard (in and of itself) that all should follow.  Notwithstanding the sad and weakly argued fantasy of such purblind perspectives (such as Sam Harris&#039; Moral Landscape) that protest otherwise.  

Liberal humanism has no INTRINSIC moral authority because it is situated in the whims of mutable Men.  If there is NO God, (Wo)Man is the highest being in the known universe and (Wo)Man is woefully inconsistent in how he(she) prioritizes values and applies them.  One person will not steal to get what he(she) needs, another person steals freely.  One person will not murder to get what he(she) wants, another person murders freely.  If there is NO God, 7 billion people can each rightly claim to be the highest individual arbitrator of right and wrong and no one has the intrinsic moral right to displace another&#039;s views on the merits of the views alone.  It merely comes down to power; who has it and who can determine, by force if necessary, what the proverbial law of the land will be.  

Moreover, if there is NO God, there is no good, no evil, no standard, no sub-standard, etc.  There is only RANDOM masquerading as order.  If there is NO God, there is only chaos, and yet there is not even chaos, because chaos presupposes the existence of order, and without God there is no order.  

And to your question, given that all is random in a universe devoid of a transcendent, sovereign God, there is zero basis for the notion of a morality that has INTRINSIC properties of right and wrong for which all can be legitimately held accountable.    

I would also mention that 1John 2:19 gives some insight as to why some seem to &quot;lose their religion&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew, </p>
<p>Just a brief response to your questions recognizing a lot more could (and should) be said.</p>
<p>#1. Yes, everyone believes in what they most want to believe in.  Existentially it is impossible to do otherwise.  The regenerate heart freely believes in what it wants (things in the direction of being consistent with the true God) and the unregenerate heart freely believes in what it wants (things in the direction of not being consistent with the true God).  At times there is an apparent tension in the soul as when the father with the tormented son cried out &#8220;Lord I believe; help my unbelief (Mark 9), but even here we have an ultimate desire expressed flowing from what appears to be a position of authentic faith.</p>
<p>#2. If there is NO God there is NO moral grounding that can be legitimately viewed and understood as a working standard (in and of itself) that all should follow.  Notwithstanding the sad and weakly argued fantasy of such purblind perspectives (such as Sam Harris&#8217; Moral Landscape) that protest otherwise.  </p>
<p>Liberal humanism has no INTRINSIC moral authority because it is situated in the whims of mutable Men.  If there is NO God, (Wo)Man is the highest being in the known universe and (Wo)Man is woefully inconsistent in how he(she) prioritizes values and applies them.  One person will not steal to get what he(she) needs, another person steals freely.  One person will not murder to get what he(she) wants, another person murders freely.  If there is NO God, 7 billion people can each rightly claim to be the highest individual arbitrator of right and wrong and no one has the intrinsic moral right to displace another&#8217;s views on the merits of the views alone.  It merely comes down to power; who has it and who can determine, by force if necessary, what the proverbial law of the land will be.  </p>
<p>Moreover, if there is NO God, there is no good, no evil, no standard, no sub-standard, etc.  There is only RANDOM masquerading as order.  If there is NO God, there is only chaos, and yet there is not even chaos, because chaos presupposes the existence of order, and without God there is no order.  </p>
<p>And to your question, given that all is random in a universe devoid of a transcendent, sovereign God, there is zero basis for the notion of a morality that has INTRINSIC properties of right and wrong for which all can be legitimately held accountable.    </p>
<p>I would also mention that 1John 2:19 gives some insight as to why some seem to &#8220;lose their religion&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mumford and Sons Reviewers: You&#8217;re Doing it Wrong by Hunter Griffin</title>
		<link>http://www.patrolmag.com/2012/10/02/jonathan-d-fitzgerald/mumford-sons-reviewers-youre-doing-it-wrong/#comment-12671</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter Griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 22:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mumford and Sons isn&#039;t a Christian band though. Winston is an athiest while Marcus is a Christian (I don&#039;t know about Ted or Ben). That&#039;s probably explainable partially for their mix of secular and religious writing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mumford and Sons isn&#8217;t a Christian band though. Winston is an athiest while Marcus is a Christian (I don&#8217;t know about Ted or Ben). That&#8217;s probably explainable partially for their mix of secular and religious writing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mumford and Sons Reviewers: You&#8217;re Doing it Wrong by Hunter Griffin</title>
		<link>http://www.patrolmag.com/2012/10/02/jonathan-d-fitzgerald/mumford-sons-reviewers-youre-doing-it-wrong/#comment-12670</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter Griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 22:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They&#039;re good with time signatures. Awake My Soul is in 7/4 and Winter Winds is in 12/8. I agree about the strum pattern however.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re good with time signatures. Awake My Soul is in 7/4 and Winter Winds is in 12/8. I agree about the strum pattern however.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No, Kathryn Joyce is Not Attacking Good Christian Parents by Is There a Problem with the Evangelical Adoption Movement? An Interview with Kathryn Joyce</title>
		<link>http://www.patrolmag.com/2013/04/23/alisa-harris/no-kathryn-joyce-is-not-attacking-good-christian-parents/#comment-12666</link>
		<dc:creator>Is There a Problem with the Evangelical Adoption Movement? An Interview with Kathryn Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 15:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Far from an anti-Christian book, Joyce&#8217;s revelations should inspire churches (who have the kinds of resources that make overseas adoptions possible) to work even harder to make sure they&#8217;re doing the right thing for the right reasons. (Alisa Harris at Patrol also does a nice job of debunking many of the critics&#8217; claims.) [...]]]></description>
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